00;00;28;02 - 00;00;34;18 Unknown Unquiet spirit. Welcome to the Transformative Taskmaster podcast. 00;00;34;18 - 00;00;54;07 Unknown Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Yeah. Happy to have you. Now, you're here to talk today about our celebrities interactions with our all that kind of stuff. So before we really get into it, tell me about your background and fandom and who you are in the Taskmaster fandom. 00;00;54;07 - 00;00;55;18 Unknown If you're comfortable with that. 00;00;55;18 - 00;01;01;11 Unknown Sure. So I've been in fandom since I was, I don't know, like 12. 00;01;01;22 - 00;01;09;00 Unknown I mean, honestly, I've been writing fanfic since before I knew what fanfic was, but, that's when I actually got internet access and discovered that other people do this too. 00;01;11;12 - 00;01;14;22 Unknown And so I started out in Harry Potter fandom, 00;01;15;03 - 00;01;26;09 Unknown and then, around 2008, due to, the election in the US, I actually got into real person fandom, which is RPF, 00;01;26;26 - 00;01;33;02 Unknown because I got into, like, you know, pundit and, Daily Show and Colbert Report fanfic. 00;01;34;09 - 00;01;41;11 Unknown And so I basically been almost exclusively an RPF fan since 2008. So coming up on 20 years now, which is insane. 00;01;41;11 - 00;01;42;03 Unknown Yeah. 00;01;42;03 - 00;01;43;21 Unknown And 00;01;44;03 - 00;01;52;11 Unknown in Taskmaster fandom, I, I got, interested in it through being a fan and sort of a casual fan of James Acaster. 00;01;52;26 - 00;01;58;11 Unknown And then like, seeing clips of him on Taskmaster and finally watching an episode and everything like that. 00;01;59;16 - 00;02;07;17 Unknown And, so that was two years ago, pretty much exactly two years ago, I think. 00;02;08;00 - 00;02;16;16 Unknown And yeah, like within like three episodes, I was like, there's fanfic of this. Let me go look at it. So I just do, 00;02;17;01 - 00;02;21;25 Unknown and then, like as I was watching, I got super inspired 00;02;22;08 - 00;02;27;25 Unknown and actually started writing and posting my first fic before I even, like, watched all the episodes. 00;02;29;07 - 00;02;32;16 Unknown And it's like based on series seven, of course, with James, 00;02;32;28 - 00;02;41;22 Unknown and I also am a member of the The Avengers Eve club. I wrote a book like you, which I was called his current favorite, which is insane if you know what that figure's about. 00;02;42;16 - 00;02;51;13 Unknown So that's who I am. That's amazing. So did you start by watching series seven like that was your first series you watched? 00;02;52;19 - 00;03;03;02 Unknown No, I don't, I don't think so. I did look back at my YouTube history at one point and like traced how I, how I watched it, but I don't remember exactly now. But 00;03;03;16 - 00;03;05;19 Unknown I think I actually watched like series 00;03;06;03 - 00;03;09;07 Unknown four first because of Noel Fielding. I'm a big fan of him as well. 00;03;09;22 - 00;03;12;18 Unknown And then I sort of like skipped around a lot. 00;03;12;18 - 00;03;16;12 Unknown But as I was watching series seven, that's when I was like, oh, there's a fifth here. 00;03;16;25 - 00;03;22;20 Unknown Like I just like saw the storyline in my head as I was watching and started writing it. So that's amazing. All right. 00;03;22;20 - 00;03;23;03 Unknown So 00;03;23;03 - 00;03;35;10 Unknown you are going to talk, with me today about what people should know about RPF and specifically what we're going to call them celebrities, should know about RPF. 00;03;35;10 - 00;04;03;10 Unknown So obviously we are in a very special kind of fandom where the hosts of the show that the RPF is, you know, being written about, are actively seeking out fanfic of themselves. And that may or may not include other people, from Taskmaster. And they're shouting it out, their name dropping. They're reading segments from it on Seth Meyers. 00;04;03;12 - 00;04;18;10 Unknown Now, obviously these people such as Greg and Alex don't necessarily see themselves as, like, a fan of the show, like they're they're part of the show, obviously, but they're not like in the fandom necessarily. 00;04;18;10 - 00;04;19;18 Unknown they don't know anything about it. 00;04;19;18 - 00;04;36;13 Unknown Like, what should people know about RPF who haven't been in the fandom at all? And then what should, like celebrities know about RPF that may or not, may or may not be written directly about them. Okay. Yeah, sure. 00;04;36;25 - 00;04;45;19 Unknown Yeah. So first I just want to say that I am like speaking only for myself, but my views do align with like the majority viewpoint most of the time in fandom. 00;04;45;19 - 00;04;46;11 Unknown So I'm not, 00;04;46;26 - 00;04;51;18 Unknown I'm just saying that to be like, I'm not going to, like, lead astray any celebrities that might be listening to this 00;04;51;26 - 00;04;56;16 Unknown if they ever do. I'm giving an accurate impression to the best of my ability of what fandoms like. 00;04;57;01 - 00;04;59;18 Unknown But yeah. So 00;05;00;03 - 00;05;04;00 Unknown I feel like fanfic really used to be sort of like this hidden thing that nobody talked about. 00;05;04;00 - 00;05;07;01 Unknown I mean, like I said, I didn't know that fanfic existed when I started writing it. 00;05;07;14 - 00;05;13;22 Unknown But now it's it's sort of like crossed into the mainstream because everybody knows that, like 50 Shades of Gray was a fanfic. 00;05;14;02 - 00;05;16;26 Unknown There's other like, movies and stuff being made from fanfic. 00;05;17;16 - 00;05;20;28 Unknown So everybody has heard of it now, and they probably think that they know what it is. 00;05;20;28 - 00;05;28;08 Unknown But unless you're actually in fandom, you don't. You don't really know, like all the the details of it. So that's what I wanted to talk about. 00;05;29;03 - 00;05;37;23 Unknown So yeah, one of the things I think is a really great sort of overview is an article that came out in time magazine, 00;05;38;20 - 00;05;40;23 Unknown years ago. I don't know exactly when it came out. 00;05;40;23 - 00;05;44;08 Unknown It was like when the last Harry Potter book came out, because it's called The Boy Who Lived Forever. 00;05;44;25 - 00;05;48;01 Unknown And it's like an overview of fandom and fan culture. 00;05;48;14 - 00;05;59;16 Unknown And it's it's a really great article, but one of the quotes that I pulled out about it, about fanfic writers is like their fans, but they're not silent, couch bound consumers of media. 00;05;59;25 - 00;06;03;27 Unknown The culture talks to them and they talk back to the culture in its own language. 00;06;04;08 - 00;06;10;02 Unknown And that really, like captures the essence of transformative fandom. And like, my experience is like, 00;06;10;14 - 00;06;15;21 Unknown we take what the culture gives to us and we're like, we're not just going to accept this, we're going to like, reimagine it. We're going to 00;06;16;05 - 00;06;18;13 Unknown put it out there in our own version. 00;06;18;16 - 00;06;19;06 Unknown And like, 00;06;20;03 - 00;06;29;09 Unknown it's sort of transgressive in that way, which I really like. Yeah. So like one of the things that's like, might not be obvious is like, who is writing fanfic? 00;06;29;25 - 00;06;33;00 Unknown I feel like people might have an idea of, like, 00;06;33;21 - 00;06;41;02 Unknown like a typical, like, nerdy dude, like middle aged white guy, and it's about spacemen or something, writing Star Wars fanfic. 00;06;41;03 - 00;06;58;25 Unknown And yeah, I'm sure there are people like that, but most people who write fanfic are the people who want different stories from what they see in the culture, right? So they are more likely to be queer a fab, neurodivergent people of color. All of those things together, then, like a mainstream fan would be. 00;06;59;09 - 00;07;04;16 Unknown And a lot of us, like myself, have been writing fanfic since, like, before we knew it, it was like I was like 00;07;04;28 - 00;07;06;05 Unknown six writing like 00;07;06;05 - 00;07;09;08 Unknown fan favorite, cartoons, you know? 00;07;09;08 - 00;07;09;27 Unknown Yeah, 00;07;09;27 - 00;07;14;02 Unknown it just used to be like. And the neat part of human nature for a lot of people, 00;07;14;02 - 00;07;31;02 Unknown yeah, I definitely agree with that. I, like you, was writing fanfic before I knew what it was based on, like video games that I was playing when I was a kid. And, mostly just video games. Honestly, I, I was like, did I write like a fanfic about shows? 00;07;31;02 - 00;07;53;10 Unknown I'm like, I don't think I did. I think it was just video games that I played. So yeah, definitely, I, I definitely agree with with that portion of it. Like personally, from my personal experience and also having also been in the Harry Potter fandom for a really, really long time, like growing up with that go into the midnight book releases, you know, it was yeah, definitely like a family thing. 00;07;53;10 - 00;08;17;02 Unknown But then it became an online thing and then it was I mean, it wasn't RPF, but it was, you know, a lot of fanfiction, which I wrote and I was a copy editor for for a couple years. Oh. Cool. Yeah. I mean, it used to be really fun, but, you know, now, of course, that. Yeah, J.K. Rowling is a transphobic. 00;08;17;05 - 00;08;44;12 Unknown Not really in that fandom anymore. So that's unfortunate. But but yeah. So yeah, I had personally not known even about RPF, until just recent years, I think, because I had known about it. I think because like some K-pop bands or something were doing RPF about K-pop bands or something, and I was like, oh, I'm like, okay, okay, I guess that makes sense, you know? 00;08;44;15 - 00;08;46;26 Unknown And then of course, I watched Taskmaster, and then 00;08;46;26 - 00;09;02;03 Unknown I only realized when Alex brought up fic in series 15 that I pause the video and I was like, hold up what I want to be. Oh three. And I was like, oh my gosh, okay. Like, that's the thing. 00;09;02;03 - 00;09;08;08 Unknown Yeah. It's so funny to me that there's this divide it seems to be between people who are like, 00;09;08;08 - 00;09;13;12 Unknown don't know to know that the fanfic exists until he brought it up and people who watch it and are immediately like, there's fanfic. 00;09;13;12 - 00;09;15;01 Unknown Let me look at it. Yeah, yeah, there's 00;09;15;01 - 00;09;20;24 Unknown def definitely feels like there's two kinds of people. Or it's like, of course there's going to be fanfic and 00;09;20;24 - 00;09;22;29 Unknown oh my gosh, there's what? 00;09;22;29 - 00;10;03;21 Unknown Yeah. And I definitely I mean, I don't know how Greg and Alex interact with fandom spaces, period. Not even talking about Taskmaster, but, from what I have kind of perceived and this is only basing it off of when Alex read or when Alex and Greg read song, an RPF like fic about themselves on the Horn Section podcast, Alex seemed to bring it up quite casually, and Greg was completely like blown out of the water. 00;10;03;24 - 00;10;32;15 Unknown And so it's kind of like Alex's, you know, like in this situation in Alex's year where he's like, of course there's about us. And, Greg is me, where I'm like, what? Like what? Since when? Okay. So, okay, so keeping that in mind, like, obviously every person slash celebrity is going to have a different take on whether or not it's about themselves. 00;10;32;18 - 00;10;48;13 Unknown But coming from a fan standpoint, what are like for the key points or the most important things that you would say, like are are paramount to someone knowing about RPF? 00;10;48;13 - 00;10;55;03 Unknown So I think that there's a lot of misconceptions, like within an outside fandom. There's misconceptions about fandom generally really like 00;10;55;16 - 00;10;58;04 Unknown a lot of people think that all fanfic is, is smut. 00;10;58;04 - 00;10;59;21 Unknown And, you know, a lot of it is smut, 00;10;59;21 - 00;11;04;25 Unknown but, not all of it. And actually, I think the majority audio three is not rated explicit. 00;11;05;08 - 00;11;14;14 Unknown But it's also important when you're looking at fanfic that's that smutty is like, who wrote this and why did they write this? Right. Because it's not 00;11;14;26 - 00;11;20;20 Unknown the same as pornography that's created for and by straight men for like, the male gaze. 00;11;20;20 - 00;11;23;11 Unknown Right. It's it's different when it's created by 00;11;23;25 - 00;11;27;01 Unknown a young queer, a fap neurodivergent person. 00;11;27;10 - 00;11;31;11 Unknown The intention is different. You have to look at it differently or you're not going to understand it. So that's one thing that 00;11;31;22 - 00;11;35;03 Unknown for fandom in general and for RPF, it's important to keep in mind, 00;11;35;16 - 00;11;44;08 Unknown and you know, for RPF, I feel like there's this sort of perception that we're doing it to get their attention and we like, want them to shout us out. 00;11;44;08 - 00;11;45;01 Unknown And a lot of us 00;11;45;15 - 00;11;49;16 Unknown like, I, I didn't want him to shout me out. I thought it was funny what he did, but 00;11;49;16 - 00;11;57;07 Unknown I wasn't like looking for that. I actually had the Alex do not read text me that fit. Which he didn't, he didn't read the text. So 00;11;57;20 - 00;12;08;14 Unknown but yeah. Like it's it's not really about like, connecting with the creators so much as it's about connecting with each other and like, having a community with each other. 00;12;08;14 - 00;12;10;01 Unknown Like we write stories for each other. 00;12;10;13 - 00;12;12;27 Unknown We, like, have exchanges and we have, 00;12;13;08 - 00;12;17;13 Unknown you know, group chat where we talk to each other. It's it's about that community connection. 00;12;17;23 - 00;12;24;10 Unknown And there's actually like sort of a, trend right now in fandom. I would say I see a lot of posts on Tumblr about this, about how, 00;12;24;23 - 00;12;31;28 Unknown people are becoming more passive fans in fandom and, like, not interact as much, not leaving comments as much. 00;12;31;28 - 00;12;36;23 Unknown And people are really concerned about this is like destroying this part of fandom that we all cherish. 00;12;36;23 - 00;12;41;26 Unknown And then another thing about RPF is people think it's comes out of like a parasocial relationship that's unhealthy. 00;12;42;10 - 00;12;46;19 Unknown So I first I just want to say that there's it's possible to have a healthy parasocial relationships. 00;12;47;01 - 00;12;51;21 Unknown Like almost everybody has some sort of a parasocial relationship. 00;12;52;15 - 00;13;00;14 Unknown And they do benefit both the fans and the celebrities. Like, there's a another time magazine article actually called In Defense of Parasocial Relationships that goes over this, 00;13;01;03 - 00;13;08;29 Unknown in studies that have been done about how they like for, fans increase confidence, decrease loneliness because of that connection with other fans, 00;13;09;09 - 00;13;18;02 Unknown inspire creativity. Not even just fanfic, but like maybe your favorite celebrity musician and you want to, like, learn how to play an instrument so you can do covers of their songs or something. 00;13;18;02 - 00;13;23;23 Unknown And then there was also like this tool developed by psychologists called the Celebrity Attitude Scale, 00;13;24;06 - 00;13;26;02 Unknown which is online. You can take it yourself, 00;13;26;10 - 00;13;29;04 Unknown to like measure the level of your parasocial 00;13;29;15 - 00;13;34;21 Unknown connection to a celebrity. And they divide it into like three groups at the end. 00;13;35;05 - 00;13;40;19 Unknown And only the third group is one that is associated with like unhealthy behavior and poor mental, 00;13;41;00 - 00;13;42;25 Unknown health, sort of things. 00;13;42;25 - 00;13;45;07 Unknown And it's only like 3 to 5% of people, they say 00;13;45;16 - 00;13;46;11 Unknown falls in that group, 00;13;46;24 - 00;13;49;24 Unknown which I think is high actually, because even in fandom, 00;13;50;10 - 00;13;59;23 Unknown I've only known like 2 or 3 people that I would say would fall in that group. So of all the years I've been in fandom, that's the amount of behavior I've seen. That's that's that crosses that line. 00;14;00;05 - 00;14;03;21 Unknown I think most fans are in the second category, which is like 00;14;04;08 - 00;14;08;21 Unknown they call it like intense personal connection, but it's not like unhealthy. 00;14;09;04 - 00;14;14;08 Unknown And I'm not even in that category. I'm in the first category. So I'm kind of an outlier with the fandom. 00;14;14;08 - 00;14;14;29 Unknown Right? 00;14;14;29 - 00;14;17;26 Unknown But yeah. So RPF specifically, 00;14;17;26 - 00;14;21;21 Unknown it's stigmatized within fandom, even though it has like, this long 00;14;22;05 - 00;14;25;21 Unknown history, like Shakespeare wrote about real people. 00;14;25;21 - 00;14;27;12 Unknown Homer wrote about real people, 00;14;27;21 - 00;14;28;27 Unknown even up to today. 00;14;28;27 - 00;14;29;25 Unknown No. Fielding's, 00;14;29;25 - 00;14;35;02 Unknown series about Dick Turpin. Like he's doing RPF of a murderer. That's literally what that show is. It's 00;14;35;02 - 00;14;36;01 Unknown RPF of a murderer. 00;14;37;25 - 00;14;42;01 Unknown And, you know, not even just historical RPF exists in TV today. There's, like, 00;14;42;15 - 00;14;47;17 Unknown The Crown, I think had, like a made up scene, but about Princess Diana beating Prince Charles. 00;14;48;24 - 00;14;49;19 Unknown And like, 00;14;49;19 - 00;14;54;28 Unknown I forget the name of it. There's that series on Netflix about the the scam artist and, 00;14;55;11 - 00;14;57;05 Unknown becoming an AI or whatever it's called, 00;14;57;13 - 00;15;03;10 Unknown where they're like, at the beginning. They're like, parts of this are completely made up, like it's RPF, right? Just like put on television. 00;15;04;00 - 00;15;09;13 Unknown So, yeah, just to, like, keep that in mind, even though it's stigmatized. 00;15;10;26 - 00;15;18;16 Unknown It there is a long history of this. It does seem to be something, again, that's innate in human nature to make up stories about real people that you don't know. 00;15;18;25 - 00;15;19;25 Unknown Right. 00;15;19;25 - 00;15;27;21 Unknown And but yeah, I think it's important for celebrities to keep in mind that it is stigmatized and that it has led to doxing fans. 00;15;28;04 - 00;15;36;15 Unknown And so when you're a celebrity and you have that sort of influence over the rest of your fan base that might not agree with this, just like have that in your head when you're talking about it. 00;15;37;06 - 00;15;58;25 Unknown yeah. I think the thing that's really special about Greg and Alex is that whenever they bring it up, they're always so kind about it. Like they're never they never bring it up in a way that's like. I mean, like, you know, Greg will make the occasional comment that's like all those perverts on the internet or whatever, but it's all like very good heart, like good natured, like lighthearted type of comments. 00;15;58;25 - 00;16;18;10 Unknown And like, especially with the Seth Meyers, recording recently where, you know, Alex is like, well, I think what he's trying to say is like, yeah, it's this horrible, horrible stuff that Greg does to me. But what he ends up saying is like, horrible, horrible. Now the writing is good. Like, let me point that out. The writing is good. 00;16;18;10 - 00;16;39;16 Unknown I don't have a problem with that. Yeah. And so, you know, like every time they bring it up, it's just like they're they're always very kind about like I and I enjoyed the writing of this the, the you know, the writing is good. You know, it's it's not something that I'm, that we're bringing up to make fun of the author. 00;16;39;18 - 00;17;01;05 Unknown It's just like it's, we're, we're making fun of like our relationship with each other, like me and Alex. You know, if Greg is saying that, because it is funny, like, and it is really interesting to delve down into, you know, what their relationship is, for sure on the show and in the Taskmaster canon, because the canon is just wild to begin with. 00;17;01;05 - 00;17;23;00 Unknown Like there's just so many contradictions and like Dom sub dynamics and everything like that. But I really do appreciate that whenever they do shout out fic, it's always with, with a certain kind of reverence, almost of like, yeah, these people are good. They know what they're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really appreciate that as well, because not every, 00;17;23;13 - 00;17;26;24 Unknown you know, not every public reaction is like that. 00;17;26;24 - 00;17;35;01 Unknown And we don't know exactly like what the reaction was when they actually first learned about it. I think maybe Greg, we do maybe that was on the podcast, his first actual time learning about it. But 00;17;35;16 - 00;17;41;02 Unknown with Alex, we don't know. So we don't know, like maybe he had a bad reaction at first and then he came around to it. 00;17;41;12 - 00;17;49;16 Unknown But I do appreciate that in public they do have this. They walk this line of like, yeah, it's weird, but it's also funny. It's good. We don't really mind it that much. So 00;17;49;16 - 00;17;50;08 Unknown yeah, for 00;17;50;08 - 00;18;03;26 Unknown sure. Yeah. And I think that like having them be aware of fanfic and the fact that there's specifically fanfic about the two of them and there's a lot of it. 00;18;03;29 - 00;18;28;16 Unknown And they just like really lean into it and everything. I mean, at this point, I think that they're they're just having a lot of fun. Because in the New York City, Q&A that they just did last month, they, like I was in the audience for it and the during like it was probably the first ten minutes of the Q&A. 00;18;28;16 - 00;18;45;20 Unknown Greg brought up fanfic of his own volition. Like there wasn't a question of being like, oh, so what do you think about the fanfic that's being written about you do? It's like, no, Greg just brought that up on his own. Yeah. And he was. And he was like laughing the entire time. And he's like, it's it's just amazing stuff, you know? 00;18;45;20 - 00;19;01;06 Unknown Like it's some of the hardest stuff I've ever been involved in. And it's just like really having fun with it, which is, which is hilarious. But yeah, it it's it's yeah, it's funny that like, it was of their own volition last time they were in New York, I went to that Q&A event, 00;19;01;18 - 00;19;05;12 Unknown which, if you know about it, it was a it was a very small room. 00;19;05;18 - 00;19;09;26 Unknown I think it was like 200 people in the room, and I was literally about six feet in front of them. 00;19;10;09 - 00;19;24;12 Unknown And so when they brought when they were reading out the audience questions, one of them was, what's your favorite fanfic? And I'm like, oh my God, this was like two months after they had mentioned mine as that's Alex's favorite. 00;19;24;12 - 00;19;26;04 Unknown I was like, oh my God, if he says it again, 00;19;26;15 - 00;19;30;28 Unknown I'm sitting here in front of him next to my mother, mind you, my mom sitting next to me. 00;19;31;16 - 00;19;40;19 Unknown And I was like, I'm not going to be able to hide my reaction. Luckily, by that point, he had completely forgotten my friend. So he's talking about other ones. But yeah, it was really funny. 00;19;41;13 - 00;20;09;28 Unknown That yeah, at that point they were still, it was still like in response to a question and now they're just bringing it up by themselves. Yep. Just, just a fun game that they get to play with the fans, which is really fun, honestly, because I know that a lot of FPF and other fandoms, they don't get that kind of back and forth with the people that they write about or the creators of the show, or whatever. 00;20;10;01 - 00;20;38;12 Unknown And so it is definitely in those spaces, a lot like what you said earlier, which was, like just writing fic for the sake of, you know, like writing fic, you know, to just, like, have fun with it. And I like, you know, most of us, I feel like in the Taskmaster fandom, we're not out here writing fic so that they bring it out like, yeah, that's just that just happens to be a side effect of it. 00;20;38;15 - 00;21;01;24 Unknown But I do think that it's a really fun game that we all play with Greg and Alex of kind of throwing the ball to one another and, you know, seeing, seeing what they have to say about it, which is, you know, it's just a good time. Yeah. But I think that is an important point to bring up that, like, not everyone is even comfortable with the creator interacting with their fic. 00;21;02;28 - 00;21;11;08 Unknown Some are are actually very, very like, no, I would die. I would literally die if they mentioned anything to do with my fic. 00;21;11;23 - 00;21;13;10 Unknown So like if you're a celebrity, 00;21;13;19 - 00;21;30;00 Unknown if there's a, if there's like, access barrier to effect, there's a reason for that. And like, maybe like pay attention to that. I don't want to go into too much detail, but there are like facts that are sort of hidden away and there's a reason they're hidden away. 00;21;31;18 - 00;21;39;17 Unknown And just, you know, keep it that in mind. Also, you know, something that maybe isn't obvious within fandom. It's considered 00;21;40;06 - 00;21;44;26 Unknown very bad manners to share the fact directly with the person that it's about. 00;21;45;09 - 00;21;50;06 Unknown So somebody has done that to you, that a fan has done that to you? Just know that the rest of us don't think that's okay. 00;21;51;25 - 00;21;59;16 Unknown But also, yeah, that's that's something that's just, like, not obvious. We'd want to respect your boundaries. And you're right not to engage. 00;21;59;25 - 00;22;01;07 Unknown But. Yeah. 00;22;01;16 - 00;22;15;29 Unknown Yeah. Like when on this most recent time on Seth Meyers, the way Seth sort of segue into asking them out for just about to say that. Yeah, yeah, he sort of made it sound like somebody had sent them it, and I was like, no, we did it. 00;22;16;01 - 00;22;18;12 Unknown Should we have not said anything? Yeah. 00;22;18;12 - 00;22;24;04 Unknown Like these guys are out here on their own actively seeking out these facts like 00;22;24;04 - 00;22;46;03 Unknown trust and believe. We are not emailing, tweeting, Alice and Greg being like, oh, check this out. Like, no, no, no no no no no no no no no. If they want to bring up my fic on their own, totally fine, very very happy with it, but I yeah, there's no way you would ever get me to to send them anything like. 00;22;46;05 - 00;23;20;08 Unknown Yeah, no, no, no. And this is coming from someone who, like, I've had written about me and like, handed to me, and did not like that at all. And it was very well intentioned. It wasn't like, you know, the writing wasn't, like, weird. It wasn't like I, you know, it was it wasn't like I was in weird positions or doing weird stuff or anything like that, but it was a very uncomfortable feeling for me that I was like, okay. 00;23;20;08 - 00;23;52;19 Unknown Like, you know, if I if I wanted to like, seek out, you know, people writing fics about me or what I like, you know, that's one thing, but like having it handed to me and, you know, being like, here we, like, wrote a thing about, you know, and I was like, okay, you know, what's that's nice. Yeah, yeah, I definitely think that with Greg and Alex, like they do, they are 100% do not have to like bring up fanfic at all. 00;23;52;23 - 00;24;16;16 Unknown They did not have to print out multiple titles and excerpts from fanfic to read out on Seth Meyers like they chose to do that. And I feel like that's a huge difference between somebody sending them something and then being like, we're going to actively seek this out, we're going to print it out, and we're going to treat it like this is part of what we're going to do today. 00;24;16;18 - 00;24;24;23 Unknown Yeah, yeah. It's definitely yeah. And I've had not the same experience as it was in RPF. But I do write original fiction as well. And somebody sent me 00;24;25;05 - 00;24;32;09 Unknown fanfic of my characters and even that I was like, no, no, no, no. If I wanted to see this, I would go, look, I don't I don't need to see this. 00;24;32;22 - 00;24;34;10 Unknown feel like there's a difference between 00;24;34;21 - 00;24;40;15 Unknown writing RPF of somebody who is like, famous, like on TV and films famous 00;24;40;25 - 00;24;45;23 Unknown versus writing RPF of somebody who's like, not at that level at all. 00;24;45;23 - 00;24;46;28 Unknown Yeah. Okay. Sure, 00;24;46;28 - 00;24;47;09 Unknown sure, 00;24;47;09 - 00;25;04;14 Unknown sure. Yeah. And the difference is because there's, there's a persona when you're like at a certain level of fame, like, at like most RPF fans, we don't view it as we're writing fanfiction about the real person. We're writing fanfiction about 00;25;04;26 - 00;25;15;09 Unknown their persona and, and I don't mean like comedy persona. I'm going to use James Acaster as an example here because he's got a persona that's distinctive. 00;25;15;09 - 00;25;16;04 Unknown So it's easy to explain. 00;25;16;23 - 00;25;29;08 Unknown So there's like James Acaster, the stage comedy persona, like cartoon man dude that he, he does. And then when he's like doing an interview where he's not trying to be funny, then he's James Acaster 00;25;29;21 - 00;25;35;27 Unknown doing an interview, but that's still a public persona, right? Because then there's James Acaster at home playing with his cats. 00;25;35;27 - 00;25;36;09 Unknown Yeah. 00;25;36;09 - 00;25;40;17 Unknown And we don't know that. Right. But and I'm sure he would be the first person to be like 00;25;40;26 - 00;25;44;08 Unknown if even if you've seen everything that I've put out publicly, you don't know me. 00;25;44;08 - 00;25;44;18 Unknown Yeah, 00;25;44;18 - 00;25;49;26 Unknown right. So when I'm writing my character, who's also called James Acaster, 00;25;50;06 - 00;25;55;21 Unknown I'm drawing inspiration from, like his comedy persona and his, like, non comedy public persona. 00;25;56;02 - 00;26;02;07 Unknown But I don't know anything beyond that. So I can't be drawing inspiration from him as a real person. You know? Totally. Yeah. 00;26;02;07 - 00;26;04;15 Unknown Yeah. And like with Greg and Alex, it's even 00;26;04;27 - 00;26;12;07 Unknown more complex because they have, like, the taskmaster and the assistant, and then they have their comedy personas and then they have their non comedy. 00;26;12;07 - 00;26;16;11 Unknown Actually, Alex doesn't really have a non comedy public persona, which is weird. 00;26;16;11 - 00;26;43;18 Unknown But yeah yeah yeah. They're yeah there's a lot a lot of different personas. Yeah we will, we will talk about shortly. But before we get to that, we're going to play. We're going to play a little game. But before we get to the game, are there any, like, final points you want to convey to someone who's famous that is encountering RPF, or do you think we've pretty much covered everything? 00;26;43;21 - 00;26;54;02 Unknown Yeah, I think it's just, like, important to know that you are an outsider. I don't say that to be mean. It's just like to be aware that you're an outsider. You're stepping into a culture. You don't know. You're probably not going to understand it. 00;26;54;14 - 00;26;58;01 Unknown So just like, be aware that you're like a guest in this space. 00;26;58;14 - 00;27;01;20 Unknown And like I said, keep in mind that your 00;27;02;00 - 00;27;09;08 Unknown public reaction or how you talk about it publicly is going to influence the rest of your fans and how they talk about it as well. 00;27;09;19 - 00;27;13;21 Unknown And we have seen cases where celebrities will say something very negative and then 00;27;14;00 - 00;27;18;04 Unknown people get harmed because of that. So keep that in mind as well. Yeah, 00;27;21;23 - 00;27;44;23 Unknown All right. Well let's move on to the game section. So this this game is called facts or fanfic. Because as we know in the Taskmaster universe, they Greg and Alex say the most ridiculous things to each other, and it just seems like the fic writes itself. 00;27;44;29 - 00;28;17;12 Unknown So. So we've come up with a game called Factor Fanfic, in which I will read you three separate quotes, and all of these quotes are going to be Greg's introduction to Alex at the beginning of an episode of Taskmaster. And, you will you will tell me whether you think it was and it was something that someone wrote in a fic, that they said, or if it was something that they actually said, okay, so that's that's what the game is. 00;28;17;15 - 00;28;42;23 Unknown All right. So first one, here we go. And next to me, a man who confided to me while drunk that he broke his wrist in a horse wanking competition and he didn't even get third place. It's little Alex Horne. Oh, my God, that's hard. I want to say that egg it is to say that's. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 00;28;42;26 - 00;29;08;16 Unknown Was it. That's my figure, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. I wrote, I wrote like ten episode banter sections very recently. That's called that's our show. And, Yeah, you did it. You did a good job because that's. That sounds exactly like something Greg would say. The only reason I said it was fic, I was like, channel four probably wouldn't allow him to say horse wanking. 00;29;08;18 - 00;29;23;06 Unknown Yeah, Good times. Okay. So good. That was, number one. Okay. Number two. Now he's small, he's hairy, and he sleeps in my underpants. It's little Alex Horne. 00;29;23;06 - 00;29;26;14 Unknown Pretty sure that's fact. That sounds familiar. It is 00;29;26;14 - 00;29;40;22 Unknown fact. That one was from series 12, episode six. It's. Yes. Okay. Last one. These are so hard to read with a straight face. 00;29;40;24 - 00;30;05;26 Unknown And next to me, like a blob of mayonnaise that's dripped out of your sandwich onto your trousers, there to remain a nagging reminder of all the clumsy mistakes in life you've ever made. It's little Alex Horton. I like that, but I think that's fact as well. That one's fact actually really works. That's, series six, episode four. 00;30;05;29 - 00;30;14;20 Unknown Yeah. I don't watch series six. I don't really watch series six that often, which is weird because it's the one where they cast. But I also. 00;30;14;22 - 00;30;44;27 Unknown Nice. Okay, well, you will get a little trophy on, on the website, so good job. All right. So continuing the conversation now, Ed Gamble has brought this up a few times. I think mostly on the Off Menu podcast or actually, it's it's probably been on the off menu podcasts and on the official Taskmaster podcast, which is the concept of kayfabe. 00;30;44;29 - 00;31;17;26 Unknown Now, I know that Ed is a huge wrestling fan, and I know nothing about wrestling at all. But I know that, you know a little bit about kayfabe. So. So talk to me a little bit about kayfabe. Like what what is it and how does it relate to the Taskmaster universe. Yeah. So it's really interesting because I independently sort of created a post on Tumblr about kayfabe and how it can relate to the Taskmaster, RPF and, 00;31;18;10 - 00;31;19;26 Unknown other forms of RPF as well. 00;31;21;05 - 00;31;29;26 Unknown This is sort of all I'm going to say here, I'll say is more based on my personal opinion and experience than what we talked about before. So just to put that out there, 00;31;30;07 - 00;31;36;11 Unknown and I'm also not really an expert in pro wrestling, but I did do some research, before we, started the interview here. 00;31;37;02 - 00;31;40;27 Unknown So, like you said, Ed Gamble is big fan of pro wrestling. 00;31;40;27 - 00;31;49;24 Unknown His wife, Charlie, actually does like independent pro wrestling. She's, like, in a gym for it. I don't know what it is. It's like called play fight or something. It's pretty cool. 00;31;50;09 - 00;31;52;23 Unknown But kayfabe is, 00;31;53;10 - 00;32;04;08 Unknown it's about kayfabe, and it's the tacit agreement between the wrestlers and the fans to pretend that the staged or scripted events are genuine, 00;32;04;20 - 00;32;10;05 Unknown and the play acting that is involved in maintaining the illusion of genuineness. 00;32;12;10 - 00;32;16;19 Unknown So in pro wrestling, it really actually started as a way to 00;32;17;02 - 00;32;21;27 Unknown fix fights for gambling. Like they wanted to make money off the gambling, so they wanted to fix the fight. 00;32;22;05 - 00;32;24;10 Unknown So they would just say, okay, you're going to win this fight. 00;32;24;24 - 00;32;30;14 Unknown And that was all it was. And then they discovered that if they add a storyline into like, why this guy is winning, 00;32;30;24 - 00;32;32;28 Unknown it actually brings in more crowds and again, more money. 00;32;33;05 - 00;32;35;27 Unknown So capitalism, that's a key frame basically. 00;32;36;14 - 00;32;44;02 Unknown And then it was sort of like an open secret. Like obviously like, you know, wrestling is like very over the top. 00;32;44;02 - 00;32;47;29 Unknown You don't really believe it. Even if you didn't know that, like, it's fake, you would be like, yeah, that's fake. 00;32;48;07 - 00;32;56;00 Unknown But it wasn't, it wasn't confirmed that it was scripted or staged until 1989. 00;32;56;00 - 00;32;56;19 Unknown I learned, 00;32;57;02 - 00;32;59;03 Unknown which is when Vince McMahon 00;32;59;12 - 00;33;04;02 Unknown went to the new Jersey legislature and was like, I don't want to pay money to your 00;33;04;14 - 00;33;12;17 Unknown athletic commission, and I shouldn't have to, because I'm not actually doing an athletic competition. It's an athletic performance, is what I'm doing, basically, is what he said. 00;33;13;02 - 00;33;18;05 Unknown So that that day that he like, said that and like put that on the record as sort of 00;33;18;19 - 00;33;22;06 Unknown it's been referred to as like the day kayfabe died in wrestling, but it didn't really die. 00;33;22;06 - 00;33;25;25 Unknown Like it still continues. It's just like the audience is more aware of it now. 00;33;26;09 - 00;33;34;13 Unknown So it's become like like I said, this like tacit agreement to like just, enter into this make believe world, basically, 00;33;35;04 - 00;33;47;20 Unknown So how does kayfabe relate to Taskmaster? So I would say, like what happens with Taskmaster? It's not exactly the same thing as pro wrestling, but I like it as like a framework because, 00;33;48;07 - 00;33;54;12 Unknown it's it's that shared tacit agreement, part of it that I think is useful. 00;33;54;15 - 00;33;59;01 Unknown It's like when we as fans talk about Greg and Alex's relationship 00;33;59;14 - 00;34;01;26 Unknown as if they're actually in a sexual relationship. 00;34;02;19 - 00;34;10;16 Unknown We are joining in with the playacting that they're doing. Right? So we're creating this, this shared fiction together 00;34;10;24 - 00;34;14;07 Unknown without acknowledging it. Explicit, because we all know that, like, it's fake. 00;34;14;19 - 00;34;19;12 Unknown So, that's the main thing that I would say is like a good parallel. 00;34;20;19 - 00;34;21;10 Unknown Also 00;34;22;05 - 00;34;26;10 Unknown like wrestling is scripted. Yes. But I didn't know this until I was researching it. 00;34;26;18 - 00;34;33;00 Unknown There are there is improv in wrestling as well. Like they know who's going to end or who's going to win the match. 00;34;33;00 - 00;34;33;13 Unknown Yeah. 00;34;33;13 - 00;34;39;21 Unknown But they can tell each other during the match, like, okay, I'm going to do this move and you do this move 00;34;40;03 - 00;34;49;12 Unknown and you can see the subtypes, or that's actually why a lot of wrestlers have long hair so that they can, like, hide their mouth when they're talking to each other during the match to like, yeah, to improve it. 00;34;50;18 - 00;34;56;29 Unknown And also like when you see like a wrestler on a mic in the ring, just like being like, I'm going to beat this guy up. Some of that's improv as well. 00;34;57;10 - 00;35;03;19 Unknown But you can tell sometimes because they're not that great. I'm sorry. I'm not really at a wrestling. 00;35;05;14 - 00;35;14;14 Unknown But yeah. So that really mirrors that in Taskmaster on the show and off, there are bits that are scripted and bits that they're just improvising as they go. 00;35;14;14 - 00;35;19;17 Unknown And there's like you can see sort of the negotiation between them happening like silently sometimes. 00;35;20;01 - 00;35;24;12 Unknown And they keep like the kiss in particular I feel like 00;35;24;25 - 00;35;28;17 Unknown was planned. But then there was like sort of a negotiation of like how they're going to do it. 00;35;29;01 - 00;35;32;00 Unknown In some of the other moments like that. 00;35;32;15 - 00;35;39;10 Unknown Yeah. When I was, the Q&A in New York, like they weren't. 00;35;39;12 - 00;36;03;00 Unknown So Greg and Alex weren't there as the Taskmaster and his assistant. They weren't in there, you know, their outfits, their taskmaster outfits. They were. They're just like in there, like, you know, nice clothes, regular clothes, whatever. But they also weren't it didn't feel like they were. So we were saying earlier that they have like a lot of different type of, like personas. 00;36;03;00 - 00;36;37;09 Unknown So they have their taskmaster persona, they have their studio taskmaster persona because that's different than like the on like the the on screen like, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm talking about like the interstitials and stuff like that. Or the prerecorded bits or anything like that. But then they also have like Greg and Alex go do Taskmaster related stuff, and that's a whole separate persona because they'll do interviews together where they're not quite their personas, and they'll talk about, you know, their personas on Taskmaster. 00;36;37;15 - 00;37;26;09 Unknown But when they were on the Q&A, it was really interesting because they're personas were not quite the Taskmaster studio ones. And not quite the normal interview ones, but something somewhere between and I think it was because they had such a big group of their fans there. And the thing that I'm specifically thinking about is that after Greg had brought up fanfic, like much later, we were doing a live task, and during the live task, Alex had to lay down on the ground on his back, with his mouth open for people to fly paper airplanes into. 00;37;26;12 - 00;37;50;16 Unknown And the way that he was laying down on the stage was Greg was sitting right next to him, like with his with his legs spread and Alex says, I don't like this view. And we all laugh, you know? And Greg says, and Greg leans back, unbuttoned his jacket and leans back in and says, 00;37;50;16 - 00;37;53;16 Unknown you're not used to seeing with trousers on, are you? 00;37;54;06 - 00;37;54;14 Unknown Yeah. 00;37;54;14 - 00;38;02;00 Unknown And he he did not need to say that. Like, yeah, that's not at all what he needed to say. 00;38;02;00 - 00;38;14;20 Unknown But he chose to say that. So I feel like, you know, maybe that is is kind of one of those kayfabe situations where like, he knows he knows full well what he's doing. You know, like he's riling us up. 00;38;14;20 - 00;38;51;06 Unknown And so. So it was so funny. Because because again they're not there as taskmaster and assistant. They're there as Greg and Alex. And so it definitely wasn't something that needed to happen. It for sure was not scripted. Yeah. But yeah that that definitely comes to mind when, when kayfabe is kind of brought up. But relating to that, in our group chat some we were, we were talking about kayfabe and somebody said that they, they love using the concept of kayfabe because it captures the camp and the joy of fandom. 00;38;51;08 - 00;39;20;23 Unknown And to me, camp is a word that is very queer coded. Because I did not know what camp was until I started watching, like drag race and drag shows, like, and if you ask me, like, right now, what is camp? I can't like, I can't like, say words that would make sense, you know, like like in a sentence, I, I would, I just have to like, think about the costuming and, the, like, characters and all this kind of stuff. 00;39;20;26 - 00;39;28;03 Unknown But is that another parallel that you see in the, in the Taskmaster fandom? Yeah, definitely. 00;39;28;14 - 00;39;31;26 Unknown Yeah. And camp is like really, really hard to define, as 00;39;32;07 - 00;39;33;18 Unknown demonstrated by, 00;39;33;27 - 00;39;47;10 Unknown I think a few years ago now, the Met Gala's theme was camp. And then like, everybody didn't know it. Camp was itself a theme for, so it created this whole conversation about like, what is camp? 00;39;48;10 - 00;39;52;23 Unknown But yeah, if you actually go back to one of the first mentions of camp in print, 00;39;53;07 - 00;40;07;02 Unknown it says you can't camp about something you don't take seriously. You're not making fun of it. You're making fun out of it. You're expressing what is basically serious to you in terms of fun and artifice and elegance. And that's from, The world in the Evening by Christopher 00;40;07;02 - 00;40;07;24 Unknown Isherwood. 00;40;08;12 - 00;40;15;28 Unknown So it's it's it is like that combination of, like taking a serious subject and making fun with it, 00;40;16;09 - 00;40;25;17 Unknown in a very, like, artificial, heightened way. And, like you said, like drag is like probably the most famous form of camp, but also wrestling is camp, even though 00;40;25;26 - 00;40;27;15 Unknown wrestling is not really like 00;40;28;00 - 00;40;29;29 Unknown I don't think people think of it as like a queer thing. 00;40;29;29 - 00;40;30;23 Unknown It is camp. 00;40;30;23 - 00;40;38;09 Unknown And yeah, so I really like that. When that was pointed out, I was like, oh yeah, it does, it does capture that camp aspect as well. 00;40;39;03 - 00;40;45;27 Unknown And, you know, camp has always been sort of like this tool for like queer transgression, like 00;40;46;25 - 00;40;49;23 Unknown camp was used at Stonewall to subvert the authority of the police. 00;40;49;25 - 00;40;51;08 Unknown There were protesters, like, 00;40;51;29 - 00;40;57;27 Unknown doing, like, high kicks, like Rockettes and singing to the cops, like it was very, like a campy thing. 00;40;58;13 - 00;41;02;16 Unknown And, you know, drag is like that transgression as well. 00;41;02;27 - 00;41;08;17 Unknown And I would say that fandom is camp and it's a form of like, queer transgression. Like I was saying at the beginning, I 00;41;08;17 - 00;41;11;23 Unknown think the transgression part is what I, what I really like about fandom, 00;41;12;11 - 00;41;21;04 Unknown and like RPF, like reimagining what reality can be, and not just accepting what is presented to you. 00;41;22;07 - 00;41;24;22 Unknown So yeah, I really like that, that parallel. 00;41;24;22 - 00;41;32;25 Unknown So is there anything else, like, relating to kayfabe that we haven't talked about that you'd like to bring up before we wrap up? 00;41;32;25 - 00;41;43;14 Unknown I just think it's fun how like, committed to it. Alex is like, he's like, a lot like a wrestler before 1989, when they would not drop kayfabe in public, like people would 00;41;43;19 - 00;41;50;07 Unknown There's there's crazy stories of what wrestlers did to like, keep from breaking kayfabe. Before it was, it was actually like officially broken. 00;41;51;20 - 00;41;55;15 Unknown And Alex is like that. He's like pathologically committed to the bit 00;41;56;01 - 00;42;05;19 Unknown and it's like really jarring when he does actually break it, which like the only really, like, clear case. I can think of is the first time they went on Seth Meyers last year, 00;42;06;00 - 00;42;07;25 Unknown he like, completely broke kayfabe. 00;42;07;25 - 00;42;13;11 Unknown And I was like, this is so weird. He's like talking about how he created the show and he's actually the boss at every everything. 00;42;13;20 - 00;42;20;08 Unknown And then Greg tried to go into it. Greg tried to start to like, bring in the persona, and Alex was like, I'm worried they're going to think that we're not joking, 00;42;20;18 - 00;42;23;15 Unknown like you, like sort of shut it down, which is really weird. 00;42;23;17 - 00;42;24;09 Unknown So yeah, 00;42;24;18 - 00;42;54;02 Unknown yeah. Poor guy. He's like so scared of of American audiences or something, you know, because like, this year he was like, I'm not. I'm not, comfortable with talking about it on American television. And I was like, I mean, valid, but, you know, I think that's right. Yeah. I mean, you know, our our country may be a mess right now, but, you know, that's you can you can be yourselves. 00;42;54;06 - 00;43;01;05 Unknown We're not going to we're not going to tear you apart for it. Yeah. We're not going to boot you out of America. It's okay. In 00;43;01;05 - 00;43;01;19 Unknown fact, 00;43;01;19 - 00;43;17;04 Unknown keep being yourselves because that's what's getting a lot of us through this time. Yeah. No. Oh. Slap it. Yeah. Yeah, I, I definitely agree with you. I think Alex has a, very strong habit of. 00;43;17;04 - 00;43;35;21 Unknown Yes, ending into the ground, which you love to see. I mean, it's it can be so awkward and, you know, like, what the. I forget what episode it was, but when Greg is, like, I'm just going to let you run this bit into the ground until there's pin drop segments, and then I can continue. Yeah. So. And Alex just keeps going. 00;43;35;23 - 00;43;48;00 Unknown I think it's about like, yeah, the hand notes that he does or whatever, but he just keeps. Yeah. And it's so funny and like I'm sure that there are people out there that would be like, okay, like let's wrap this up like, you know, 00;43;48;00 - 00;43;51;26 Unknown I'm kind of I'm kind of sick of this. I never get sick of when Alex does that. 00;43;51;26 - 00;43;52;04 Unknown It's 00;43;52;04 - 00;44;07;03 Unknown just so it's so funny to me. It's just like peak comedy. Yeah, yeah. He's very, very good at, like, just like letting the uncomfortableness be there. Yeah, I 00;44;07;03 - 00;44;07;24 Unknown really love 00;44;07;24 - 00;44;18;09 Unknown it. And something that I'm going to have, another couple guests that I haven't recorded yet, but we're going to be talking about costuming and, costume designs. 00;44;18;12 - 00;44;38;15 Unknown Yes, sir. But I think one of the the things that comes to mind for me, for camp, specifically in Taskmaster is when Alex, started the show, you know, in series one, I think he had, like, a nice jacket and really nice shoes, like shoes you would wear to a wedding. And then, of course, by a few series. 00;44;38;15 - 00;44;59;22 Unknown And he's wearing, like, this crap jacket that's on these, like, plastic shoes and all this kind of. And it's just, it's like the camping this of, like, you're wearing just these horrible clothes that, like, don't really fit you very well. And, and you could be wearing something really nice because you did wear something really nice, you know, at the very beginning. 00;44;59;23 - 00;45;17;09 Unknown Yeah. I think even Alex's wardrobe out of out of costume is very camp like his like, Golden Girls, sweatshirts. It's very camp. Yeah. All his, like, brightly colored jumpers and stuff. Just. And his, like, golden shoes. 00;45;17;11 - 00;45;44;29 Unknown Yes. I love his sense of style. It's. Yeah. It's incredible. All right. So we're going to wrap up this podcast. So, so obviously you are on A03. You're also on Tumblr. Do you want to, you want to tell us where we can find you online? Yeah. So I'm unquiet spirit, on A03 and Unquiet Spirit, A03 on Tumblr. 00;45;45;01 - 00;45;59;06 Unknown And that's literally the only active social media that I have. So if you see anyone, anywhere else claiming to be me, that's not me. I just say that because somebody did actually do that. Are you seeing somebody did. Yeah. After that I would take drops. Somebody was like, that's my pick. And I was like, no, it's not. 00;45;59;08 - 00;46;25;11 Unknown No. What a weird thing to like cleanse, right? That's wild. I was like, have you looked at the thing? I don't think you want to claim this one. Yeah, that's. Anyway, that's an interesting that's an interesting thing to to try to steal. Anyway, we're gonna we're going to end here with any fan work recommendations from from our wonderful, beautiful little taskmaster fandom. 00;46;25;11 - 00;46;58;11 Unknown We have. What's, like your favorite thing that you want to shout out? I want to shout out an artist who I love, both as an artist and as a person. They're an amazing person. It's come, come as we call them. And they have so much amazing are actually owned some of it like physically I got some sent to me, and the one in particular that I want to shout out, though, is the portrait of Greg from like, chest Up holding the little tiny Alex by the back of his jacket. 00;46;58;11 - 00;47;20;27 Unknown If you probably know what I'm talking about. If you're an artist, father. Yeah, that one is like, I love that one. It always reminds me of, like, the part in Peter Pan where they hold Tinkerbell by her wings. Yeah, on the bottom. So yeah, that's my my shout out. Is that one artwork. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're art is, gorgeous. 00;47;20;27 - 00;47;45;29 Unknown I also like how also now recently have prints and stickers and pins and all sorts of stuff. But yeah that that's we'll be sure to link that on on the, website. Well, thanks so much for coming on and talking about kayfabe and RPF and all that good stuff. We've really enjoyed having you. So thank you. 00;47;46;01 - 00;47;52;10 Unknown Thank you for a lot of fun. Yeah. All right. We'll see you online at bye bye. 00;47;52;10 - 00;48;20;00 Unknown And that was T.K. speaking with unquiet spirit on sick RPF and why people write it. You can find a list of the fan works discussed on this episode on our website tf taskmaster.uk. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss next week's episode about the horn section and the Taskmaster live experience. If you have any questions, fan work recommendations, suggestions, or anything else, you can email us at. 00;48;20;00 - 00;48;23;16 Unknown Fans at TF taskmaster.uk.